Story Discussion

Great chapter, really excellent. Damn, I hate west! Jesus, I detest the arrogance of anyone who dares to claim the authority to condemn people based on their own whackjob beliefs. Intolerance is disgusting, there is no other word for it. Hope he gets what's coming to him

ive actually had 3 requests 2 kill west off & just make sure sumthin happens 2 him so he dies.

wada u guys think?

it seems like just a bit of overkill

well... the standard equation would be to have Noah be the only person who could save or help West in some really dramatic scene. That would show that gays are good people, which means that the only asshole in the mix is West... and that is how he'd discover it for himself.
I would do something a little bit differently... maybe reverse that whole thing and make it so that West has to do something for Noah or he wouldn't be able to live with himself. I don't think you could just do that on it's own though. It would have to be in relative terms... like someone's trying to do something really really bad to him and West stops THAT from happening.

idk... Kill him if you want though.. I've wanted that in a lot of stories and it's never happened... so.. ya... it could be interesting to see what happens afterwards.

Hm. All of that is too cliche.

My suggestion: have Noah and West just distance themselves from each other. And then have Noah learn of West's death some time in the future. Intertwine the plot with it. Let's say West is gay and in denial, and commits suicide when N&J get married or something. Like...he secretly wants either N or J.

What do you think of that?

personally, i think thatd bring in another gay character, which i dont want 2 overuse. i mean theres noah, j, mark, ruby, janie, adam (or w/e his name was) & maybe 1 or 2 more upcomings that ive skimmed over thinking bout. i dont want west being gay.

*off note: ive bin thinking bout a future story where the narrating character is homophobic at 1st, but its still just a thought at this point

Staile wrote:

My suggestion: have Noah and West just distance themselves from each other. And then have Noah learn of West's death some time in the future. Intertwine the plot with it. Let's say West is gay and in denial, and commits suicide when N&J get married or something. Like...he secretly wants either N or J.

That happened in Quarterback With the Emerald Eyes... my second all time favorite story ever. It wasn't a suicide though... ironically, i think suicide is a bit cliche. It reminds me of a stage-type drama. Plus... I just don't find love-focused suicides to be real. I don't believe it. Romeo and Juliet did it... that's enough for me. But I see what you mean... everything is kinda cliche because there aren't loads of ways this can play out.

If you really want to try something new... have Noah beat the shit out of West! I mean... seriously... beat him up and be screaming and crying madly at the same time. Make the tantrum about all the hurtful things like "I DID NOT KILL MY MOM!!!" etc. I think that you could have West torture Noah a bit more to prompt it. You already had him throw West out of the store pretty easily. It could be done. The whole thing could be framed as Noah having completely cracked under the psychological torture. I don't see Noah and West reconciling, but it would be seen as a pretty big deal for West not to press charges.. and then they just keep their distance.
I somehow doubt this is where you want to take the story though...

Narrating from the perspective of a homophobe will be really tough! You'd have to make the audience sympathize with him. And frankly... your audience is mainly a bunch of homos, Kell. BUT... it could work. Like, if you started the story like that but had the homophobe saved by a gay guy (I don't know why I am in the mood for gay guys saving people right now!), and then the homophobe becomes really intrigued by him and idk... build on something like that maybe.
hmm... If you've read The Long Way by Dom Luka, I would probably say to look at the perspective of one particular character, who I shall not name. . I won't say anything much about that, but that story is obscenely good and I don't want to ruin it. Said character is really homophobic, but a really nice guy.

sumthin about wen u sed "cracking under psychological torture" is in my head now...hmm...

Having Noah beat the shit out of West is upsetting. I don't see him doing that.

jd wrote:

Narrating from the perspective of a homophobe will be really tough! You'd have to make the audience sympathize with him. And frankly... your audience is mainly a bunch of homos, Kell. BUT... it could work.

That made me laugh about the audience. Anyways, I think it would be really difficult to do. You would have to have to have a character which you want to like but you just can't. A redeemable hero is a good way to look at it. I thought of the mother in prayers for bobby. At the beginning I hated her but wished she was a kinder person. By the end I was proud of her.

Ecii wrote:

I thought of the mother in prayers for bobby. At the beginning I hated her but wished she was a kinder person. By the end I was proud of her.

I still thought she was a cunt. >.< And still think so, too.

lol fair enough. She did some unspeakable things. In the end she was a much better person though.

Ecii wrote:

That made me laugh about the audience.

Thanks.

I try.

psh. ego centric lol



yeah she was pretty bitchy. but i think she was def better by the end. i thot that was nice of her 2 go 2 that other boy & just kinda silently support him. although if i was there & this stranger walked up 2 me & held my face in her hands id probly be all "GET THE FUCK OFF ME!" lol

Some crazy lady did that to me when I was at p-town last summer. I freaked the fuck out. That place gets sketchy at 1am.

OMG KELL!!! THAT WAS JUST BRILLIANT!!! honestly i like the way you made us hate west, unlike alex, i believe. but anyways it was really good, i especially liked the justification that west gave. was that something that he had been practicing at the mirror or did he just come up with it on the spot or something like that???

u talking bout if he just thot off the top of his bout noahs mom getting killed cuz of him?

yeah... i mean it was pretty mean of him to even think of something like that even of a person who used to be friend of yours. so did come up with all of that on top of his head just to hurt noah???

and what do you guys think about it??? do you think that what he said might be true of noah's mum??? would she have gotten pissed when she found out that noah was gay???

ems wrote:

yeah... i mean it was pretty mean of him to even think of something like that even of a person who used to be friend of yours. so did come up with all of that on top of his head just to hurt noah???

and what do you guys think about it??? do you think that what he said might be true of noah's mum??? would she have gotten pissed when she found out that noah was gay???

But she didn't know he was gay, the whole argument is moot.

yes. but would she have gotten mad when she found out that her son was gay???

You can't make that kind of question Ephraim, there's absolutely no canonical evidence that would support it.
We don't even have enough background information about Noah's mom to infer it either.

Well, regarding if his Mom would have been po'd, I think she would not have. At least from what we have learned in the past about his Mom. She seemed like a very caring person, especially when it came to Noah. But I do see what Trev is talking about though, we really don't have enough background regarding her. Hope that answers both the questions, or clarifies both, haha. At least in what I know or assume, lol.

painservedcold wrote:

We don't even have enough background information about Noah's mom to infer it either.

hmmm... *considers sumthin*

just a thought.... , lol.

new chapter peeps

i felt kinda bad for noah.. i feel like he is being used a lil, i mean jade should understand about believing in something and acting upon it are two very big different things but i do like the fact that noah goes all the way to do something that he totally doesnt want JUST for jade... i mean how many people like that do you meet every day??? (hopefully not very much)